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As an American, I am astounded at the the smug ignorance I see from Europeans online. I don't envy that cultural lack of self awareness

Unfunded. It's in the article

established and operating since 2009- "Why did Trump do this?"

That's a nice curated list. COVID origins didn't make the cut? lol

I could've done without reading the word almost

That's before they apply the anaesthetic.

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> I think it is safe to say that those brains are having a blast

How could you possibly say that? You are positing that the brains are both conscious and happy. Both of those are leaps.

> It just invokes a strong emotional response because it's so "abnormal"

You are making an assumption about why people find this horrifying, and the assumption you made was uncharitable.

> OTOH, this is HN, I guess. Having empathy for real people would be harmful to the business model of most people's employers.

I do not see how people on HN being horrified by human brain experiments means they do not have empathy.


so true, citizens of the dozens of other countries with the death penalty believe their governments to be infallible

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country

Vast majority of death penalties happen in countries where citizens don't have much of a say what their government does...


Another American here, I find these self loathing kind of posts to be so sophomoric and embarrassing

It is entirely possible to recognize the things that are good about the US while also seeing the very terrible things. Nothing is perfect and if we tell ourselves it is by criticizing anyone who says otherwise, we are robbing not only the world but ourselves of any opportunity to make it better.

No sophomoric and embarrassing is electing the same unqualified rapist pedophile moron back into power again.

That’s insulting to sophomores.

All I see on your timeline regarding us is blind sycophantic behavior. It's not self-loathing or sophomoric to recognize a point of policy or behavior that is not conducive to the wellbeing of global markets and wider well-being. We haven't been behaving in the best interest of the common good, or fellow Americans, nor even private interest for decades now and a little realization of that is just seeing objective reality.

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As a European, I apologise for this arrogant reply considering how awful Europe has been as an ally over the past 50 years. I promise we will do better and am glad that we're finally trying for once.

Now let's see your introspection (:


When I was in the middle east as part of the US Army I really felt like my European friends had my back, no complaints here.

Apologies the other way around, though.


I mean, I’m British and I’ve done a fair amount of introspection about the actions of my own government over the years.

I guess I should have included that in my reply in case someone else thought I was being hypocritical ?


As an American, Thank You

I find the "self loathing american on the internet" act to be about as performative as putting a pink ribbon on your social media avatar after a shooting. It's not introspective in any meaningful way.

I've seen that sentiment shared a couple of times in the past day and little else before. Just something I've noticed...

I find the self loathing is usually well qualified and not at all a performative act. Performative for who exactly?


The rest of the world, presumably

Does the same sentiment apply to TN1 visas? Funny how you never see those burned in protest

That's my point, right?

We've had such a closely integrated economy and it's been a win-win for a very long time. Whether it's resources like lumber or manufacturing like Ontario/Michigan, or massive amounts of fuel refinement, we're so closely interconnected that we've needed that ease of cross-border travel for work. A consequence is that our industry hasn't evolved as much as it could have. We're sitting on an enormous amount of natural resources and technical competence that we've been feeding in to American companies forever, because we were reaping sufficient profits.

What the current regime could absolutely do is force us further from that local maxima by throwing a tantrum over TN1 visas.

I work with a lot of Americans so I know they understand deeply: changing careers out of principle is a rare luxury very few can act on. Especially when you depend on your employer for healthcare (though we don't suffer that mistake as much). I wouldn't expect people to voluntarily quit their jobs the same way they are voluntarily stopping U.S. recreational travel in record numbers [1].

[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cross-border-travel-down-dr...


I question your sources methodology as, similar to travel habits during the performative COVID border lockdown, Canadians are still heading south en masse over the winter.

Okay that got a hearty laugh. I post a CBC article and you question it, then make a claim while offering no evidence at all.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to find that you're just here as an instigator, possibly not even from North America. Or, maybe I just want to hope that it's malice rather than incompetence that governs your behaviour.


That elicited quite the gafaw, I even lost my breath for a bit. I live in a border state filled with commuting Canadians, and every other residence is owned by a Canadian where I vacation at. The travel protest you take so much pride in is a rounding error

You are probably thinking of local maxima.

Thanks. I probably am. I will never not confuse the two because I imagine getting into a comfortable place and then having to march up the next hill to discover an even comfier place that you can't see from where you are. I also imagine the instability of placing a boulder at the top of a hill and the effort of pushing it up a hill to find a new resting spot.

I'm sure I can invert the sign of something being measured to make my mental model work again :D


Are you kinda alluding that if it was so bad in the US, people wouldn’t be asking for TN1 visas to go work there?

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