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I guess we will continue to bomb any nonbelievers huh

Yeah, bring the democracy with bombs and the army.

According to the U.S. State Department, they literally do not:

https://law.stanford.edu/press/state-department-lawyers-conc...

That whole thing was a very successful propaganda campaign, making people believing China has been mass murdering Uyghurs.


The article says otherwise. It opens with it isn’t genocide but is crimes against humanity.

The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.


>The claim is they don’t engage in warfare when they do, just exclusively in the digital domain for now.

Come on, are you seriously equating hacking to literally bombing and killing people? That's just arguing in very bad faith.

Calling hacking "warfare" is just intellectually dishonest, if not downright disgusting toward the actual victims of American wars.


Like half of the world are now struggling with energy prices due to an unprovoked war started by U.S. and Israel and somehow an American billionaire is here criticizing China of being a threat to world peace.

It's kinda gross.


I mean in the Bloomberg interview he has made it very explicit that he fully believes in American Exceptionalism. He literally said AI being involved in bombing school girls in other countries are ok because he trusts the American military leadership.

According to him the safety and morality rule of the whole world should be written by America alone.

Which is why in the same interview he said he supports the U.S. foreign policy while calling China "an aggressive and war mongering regime".

>This is clearly false to the rest of the world.

It's clearly false to more and more Americans too. But since the oligarch class benefits first and foremost from U.S. government policies the propaganda will continue to go on.


>the belief that AGI is too dangerous to be controlled by OpenAI/Sam Altman.

I agree with that assessment. But the Dario's jump went from "AGI should not be controlled by OpenAI/Sam Altman" to "AGI shoudl be controlled by Anthropic/Dario", which is definitely a better scenario for him, but not the rest of the world.

>It naturally follows that it would also be too dangerous to be in the hands of literally everyone on earth.

In fact, you can argue that in a world where all countries have nuclear weapons is actually a better scenario than a world where nuclear weapons are owned by 1 or 2 American billionaires/trillionaires, no matter if those people believe they are the "good guys".


Isn’t it plausibly better if AI is controlled by Dario than Altman even if neither situation is palatable? It feels like people look at the two and dislike both of them so they consider them the same.

People who know him frequently refer to Altman as a literal psychopath unprompted. People who don’t know Dario just find him arrogant.


The comments about vance mean both are bad enough. Any toady shouldn't be controlling Ai

Sure nobody should. Still the comment says it wouldn't be better for the world when I would rather someone whose arrogant over a literal psycopath?

And that comment just mentions that it's on the US government's radar I don't think it is fair to call him a toady.


Yeah Dario is just flat out disgusting in term of how shamelessly hypocritical he is.

Do people actually believe that he gives a shit about the well being of the Chinese people? If the U.S. starts a war with China start bombing Chinese cities Dario would absolutely jump onboard supporting it. He'd probably make Claude to add DeepSeek and Moonshot HQ to the targeting list lmao.

He is super pro-Israel as well, and never once has he brought up the risk of the Israeli government using AI to control and repress people in other countries.

He is also 100% onboard with working with Palantir, who has the explicit goal of using AI for population control and repression and building out a surveillance state.

Meanwhile the world's most repressive government is North Korea, and obviously they don't even need AI to achieve that.

If you talk to people in China they'd laugh their ass off at Dario's notion that somehow they are all getting oppressed by DeepSeek or Kimi.


The emptiness of AI companies' waxing poetic about the future of humankind is laid bare by simply looking at what they actually do, and who they do business with. Actions speak louder than words, and they've driven the worth of their words into the dirt many times over.

Every accusation is a confession!

> Meanwhile the world's most repressive government is North Korea, and obviously they don't even need AI to achieve that.

The country that exists solely because of China? That North Korea?

I mean I get your point, all of these guys are elitist authoritarians who will do anything for a buck, but I wouldn't bring up the DPRK in this discussion.


The country that exists because it has nuclear capabilities.

No, it exists because 1) China shoved back UN forces from the Yalu and 2) their allies, now in charge of everything north of the 38th parallel, aimed a bunch of artillery at Seoul in case there was ever a thought of the ROK and its allies reunifying the country through force, or any other mechanism the Kim family didn't approve of.

The nuclear part is really just gilding the lily. Of course, China and Russia have helped North Korea circumvent the sanctions that were supposed to punish them for their nuclear program, but it ultimately all goes back to the Chinese support of Kim Il-Sung during the Korean War.


The US exists solely because of France.

As an American, I blame most of the world's issues on the French and the British, so this tracks.

Please don't just copy paste existing comments

I thought the comment was a positive contribution.

I just mean they verbatim copied it from another comment they wrote in this thread

But it's quite possible I'm being too anal


I didn't see that other comment and I appreciated the presence of the comment in question.

Whatever else it might be, it’s not positive.

And the logical interpretation of that statement would be "if a government doesn't do things I want, it's not functioning properly".


Seems a little slippery-slopey to me


I mean does it work? Other than profit making for the consulting companies?

Like someone else pointed out, if people are hiring them in order to provide cover for decision making, then maybe the whole thing being a charade is the point.


You missed the joke.


> for American economy.

There is more to American economy than big tech.

And that's precisely why this has started: https://www.wired.com/story/super-pac-backed-by-openai-and-p...


>There is more to American economy than big tech.

Most of the stock market valuation is big-tech, and most of people's retirements are the stock market, so... if the AI bubble bursts a lot of the US will be affected.


>Most of the stock market valuation is big-tech

Which is why most of it is a bubble


I do not know why this is downvoted. This is true.


Agreed. I upvoted.


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