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You clearly have no clue of the marketcap of these cannibas companies.

The minimum marketcap for S&P 500 is ~23 Billion

The highest current marketcap of cannibas companiy is $3 Billion


Remember the scene in "You got mail" where there are bunch of people who protest against big retailer and support the local bookstore but at the end of the day, they have no extra sales.

All these anti-Google, anti-facebook, anti-Instagram, anti-OpenAI, anti-Claude stories are exactly that. Provide copium and feel good for a handful of people for a few days.


But the reality is that DDG has had an influx of users, and You've Got Mail was a work of fiction.

Protesting against a suboptimal Nash equilibrium is not wrong, just because protesting is ineffective at changing the rules of the game.

You are just being punished for your poor judgement for not backing the winner. Not sure why you should be rewarded.

It's the same logic for de-googlers. You can't De-Google yourself and then bitch about some Google products work better on Google products.

If you are a proud edge-lord/hipster with your obscure choices, you should also learn to deal with consequences.

Scale brings advantages. You can't have it both ways


So your view is “accept a monopoly and become their bitch?”

I use a competitor to Spotify because I like the other product better overall. It’s a better value and better suited to my needs. I never said I’m using something else just to stick it to Spotify or become an edgelord.

I’m perfectly happy to be “punished” by missing some concerts. I think you misunderstand my comment as complaining about the situation. I really don’t care that much, I just am giving my opinion that this is a system that doesn’t seem ideal to me.

Many artists are struggling to fill seats right now. The industry can have fun trying silly schemes like this while they cancel tours in oversized venues.


I thought about this and I think it boils to how the model is trained.

Tesla trains it models from actual drivers purely based on (input) Vision and (output) actuators - Brake, Steering, Accelerators.

Human output is based on what they and the camera sees. So, it's a 1:1 match.

If Waymo were to do that, it'll muddle the training set. The Lidar input may override camera input.

I always struggled when Musk mentioned Lidar will make it ambiguous. It didn't make any sense to me why having a secondary failback sensor messes things. But, if you put it in the training data context, it absolutely makes sense.


This is an interesting viewpoint, but isn't it also solveable?

Just because the human in the scenario only took vision as input, why does that matter to the training data and the model? The actions are the same.

To put it another way, what about all the cultural context the human had, or the sounds, smells, past experiences at the same intersection, etc? Even Tesla can't record this, but I'm not sure that matters.


E.g If the driver brakes because they saw a pothole, and Lidar captures someone biking 200m away on their own path, it may mistakenly put more weight on brake causation to the 200m away object (because large moving object) vs the pothole.

I'm exaggerating, but I hope you get the point. It isn't even conflicting sensor signals about the pothole, but conflicting information about the causation. With vision only there is no conflict for the training data. This was my Aha moment. Multiple Sensors are absolutely important for fallback and extra safety, but screws up training that are based on Human Drivers

I think Elon himself doesn't understand this and hence can't articulate it, while just repeating whatever his ML engineer has said.


The biggest issue with using both camera and lidar is how to properly resolve conflicting returns from different sensor types.

That is vastly preferable to slamming into the back of an emergency vehicle because the cameras are dazzled by the strobes, or slamming into tractor trailers because the cameras were blinded by sunlight. Or slamming on the brakes because the car thinks a shadow in the road is a physical object...

Imagine making "AI Hater" as your personality

I don't hate AI as AI. I hate AI for what it's doing to human conversations.

I want to hear from other humans. I want to touch their minds and their hearts, and have them touch mine. I hate AI for what it's doing to things I love. I hate AI because I love and value those other things, and I'm watching AI badly damage them.


That's like saying can't the Judge decide who the killer was when he literally saw the video of shooting.


Or like if a piece of evidence was obtained lawfully?

I can understand why people and me included might think they can decide this before trial.


These days, video evidence can be called into doubt pretty easily


One still need to decide:

- if the video is real (not AI / edited / another event)

- if the subject the same person (twins, look alike, too bury to tell)

etc


HN is not the target market.

In fact, if HN hates it, there is a higher chance the product will be successful

Will Bookmark it so that it becomes one of those legendary HN quotes


I look forward to the results. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.


I don't think you need to wait long. Most of your post is already proven wrong in this very thread.


You can’t scold them for being contrarian and wrong, and back up your point using…other comments in the thread.


Historically the Chromebook target market is students, where this AI will probably be disabled by the school.

Unless these things are much cheaper than a Macbook Neo, I don't see it succeeding.


In a free market, the content provider is free to put whatever guardrails they feel appropriate. Loginwall, Paywall, CaptchaWall.

If you don't like that provider, you are free to pick another.


1. Free markets do not exist

2. If free markets did exist they would not conform to the theory that people are using when they think of what free markets are, since people do behave rationally, power dynamics are real, and no consumer can have all of the information needed to make rational decisions even if that information were available

3. The market is providing solutions to its own failures without fixing the underlying failures because it is more profitable this way. Is buying something from a company that mitigates a problem created by the same company actually a free market, or is it just extraction?


I'm not 'free' to pick another government site. There is only one.


4GB, $0.10 (whatever the HD price) that is the equivalent of a High School level intelligent brain that can perform many cognitive tasks (and in the future even PhD level intelligence) for free?

Oh, the horror!!!

Wait, let me pay my HVAC guy $500 he deserved because he came all the way from his home to replace a fuse


It doesn't make sense to apply wholesale prices for mass storage. People are running Chrome on specific devices that they already own. Storage is not fungible in this way.


If you’re pissed you had to pay your HVAC guy to drive to your house and do something you think is trivial, why didn’t you do it yourself?


As the saying goes, gp didn't pay $500 to have the fuse replaced, he paid $500 for the training and experience that was required to know that the fuse had to be replaced.


> 4GB, $0.10 (whatever the HD price) that is the equivalent of a High School level intelligent brain that can perform many cognitive tasks for free?

This is better than my current solution of an actual human with masters degreed intelligence performing all my cognitive tasks for free how? I mean, i'm the first to admit i'm extremely lazy and even i'm over here like "really??"


> Wait, let me pay my HVAC guy $500 he deserved because he came all the way from his home to replace a fuse

Right, because its totally something an LLM can do, right?


Here is your google brain on your device, whether you want it or not.


I don’t think you understand what “free” means


Tell that to Apple, I'm sure they will allow me to pay $0.025/GB for additional storage on my Macbook /s


It's annoyingly imposible to add more disk space to laptops. I think mine is soldered.


Apple laptops maybe. In many others it's just a normal M.2 NVMe module behind a screwed on bottom case plate.


The hypothesis is completely wrong. With AI, juniors can catch up with the codebase / domain must faster and deeper than before. It's just a matter of putting time.


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