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If anyone is interested in buying a System 76 product and have it delivered outside of US, please take into account that the price doesn't include VAT. This has to be payed separately, which usually means that each device is ~20% more expensive (when delivered outside of US).

I ended up having to pay 400$ more for delivery + VAT for a laptop (didn't know about the VAT tax at that time). Very good performance, but rather mediocre quality (1 usb port is completely unusable).


Both products are really good, but Github needs to realise that they have to be more open and listen more to their users.

There is an opportunity for Gitlab here and I'm happy that they decided to make this announcement.

The community is the actual winner of this healthy competition.


Thanks alexbardas!


Any idea what happened to breach? It looked very promising when it was first announced, but I can see there hasn't been any contribution for more than 6 months.


This was updated less than a day ago: https://github.com/breach/thrust

It is align with the main developer's 'ExoBrowser' arquitecture: http://breach.cc/2014/07/15/next-steps-for-breach.html


still waiting for the windows version


Great and very useful plugin. Good job!


Go has a much better runtime system than Python (can spawn lots of green threads in parallel using goroutines), but it's also broken in so many ways (e.g.: type system).


It's more or less a matter of time until everything will be migrated to go. Since it has better performance and works good for them, there's no point not to do it.


Not necessarily. First easy reason for not migrating: the cost to do so outweighs the benefits. Why port working code to a new language when all you're doing is maintenance?

I don't know about you but its hard to sell upper managers on complete rewrites of things when the end result is: no real change but it might/should/could run faster. Unless performance is a concern to be addressed the risk of changing technology stacks doesn't seem a great idea.


You don't have to rewrite anything, the old language can still die. If you're writing all your new code in X and your codebase growth is accelerating, the existing code in Y will look less and less relevant over time.


Perhaps, but it doesn't sound at all that the case is all new stuff is go for them.


Makes a lot of sense to me, Firefox is an excellent browser. I hope it will keep its independence though.


The switch from a single worldwide Google deal to three regional deals with Yahoo, Yandex, and Baidu feels like a nice assertion of that independence.


Chrome doesn't even work with its own company's social network plugin (Hangouts). I always have to switch to Firefox to use screen share.


I haven't encountered problems with Hangouts. But the new Firefox Hello service for in browser webcam chats is pretty awesome: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-hello-make-rece...

(disclaimer: I do actually work for mozilla)


Seems only tangential, since I don't see anything about group calls or screen share (which are the main features we need Hangouts for).


I believe group calls will be in Firefox 35. Not sure about screen sharing, but it's being worked on and coming soon.


That may be true for you, but I assure you that is not generally the case.


It's a tech post, not an avira commercial. Maybe it will help someone make a good decision when choosing a js framework, based on real experience and facts.

You can read more about the product here http://www.avira.com/en/avira-online-essentials

Please tell me more about the fallacies you see in the article.


I said it's an AngularJS commercial, not an Avira commercial. But let me get the Avira part out of the way first: the article is at most an anti-commercial for Avira. You're saying that this web app is the flagship product for Avira. Do you know what a "flagship product" means? Do I really have to explain to you why a web app as a flagship product is not a good commercial for a security oriented company? But thank you for the link, go with the anti-commercial even further.

And now for the useless AngularJS commercial part. Here are the fallacies:

- You argue for choosing AngularJS using statistics from github, now that's an "Argumentum ad populum". You chose AngularJS just to jump on the hype-train, because you don't give any other reasons beside "look, so many others are using it, it must be good".

- You don't explain how to achieve the results. You're just saying: "here are the results, you must believe me because I work at a company and write on blogs". This is called "Argument from authority". You could have crafted some toy examples to explain how is the debugging easier, or how does it help with the testability, but no such things from you.

[there are more, but these will suffice]

And another thing about your article: you should explain some of the buzzwords you use, not everyone knows them. For example: what does "velocity score" means and/or implies? I can't get anything about it from google, and that says a lot about it.

In the end, you have a nice skeleton for an article, but is not fleshed at all. Nice color, pretty, yet absolutely worthless, graphs and no content whatsoever. I hope you don't code as you write.

[edit: formating]


If you're really interested in Avira and its products, it's up to you to take a look into this project from time to time and you may change your impression.

I added certain links in the article (e.g. http://www.funnyant.com/), where the features of all frameworks are discussed and compared. Read it and you may understand the advantages. I'm sorry that you don't consider that a community driven project, managed by top talent from Google is not a good enough reason to invest some time into a framework.

I explained how we achieved the results: we rewrote it. The facts are pretty relevant and they may help other teams.

I will craft toy examples in next articles, so it's best to follow me if you really are that interested and would like to see more examples.

You can find more about velocity here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_(software_development) .

I'm sorry that you brought it to a personal level in the end, this explains a lot. Instead, I hope you have a good day and don't forget to follow me to see how well I code :).


You end your comment in a condescending and yet you have the nerve to tell me that I should follow you, when you have only one article posted, ever. Are you for real? And why do you keep telling me to look up Avira? Tell me at least that you are getting paid to promote Avira in every comment you make, because I don't see any other logic to speak about it when it wasn't the freaking subject of my rant.

Anyway, going to back to my issues, maybe you'll understand this time. Your article has not a single useful thing in it, it just regurgitates random facts. AngularJS might be the best thing since sliced bread, but you do a poor job at explaining why. Does it matter that it has more commits, forks and stars on github than alternative frameworks? No. Does it matter that is backed up by Google? No. But please explain why are these things relevant in any shape or form. It seems to me that you just went with the winner of a beauty pageant.

You didn't added certain links, you added just one link, and it was buried in a mountain of crap. It would have been nice if you expanded on the content from that link. You say that this is a tech post, but I don't see no tech in it (buzzwords =/= tech).

"We rewrote it". Yes, well argued, I see no flaw with that statement (/sarcasm). You could have said that you used X feature in Y manner to improve Z and thus replace the god old W way of doing things. But why bother? You were too busy counting github commits and whatnot.

Do you understand where I'm going with this? Or are you gonna reply with yet another "look up Avira" and "here's another argument from authority to prove me right" comment?

In the end, I think I'm just talking to a wall here, so I'll just leave you with a Pauli inspired statement: "you're article is not even wrong" (you'll get bonus points from me if you understand this one).


It's hard for me to make more comments here. I don't know your tech background and also how much experience you have with frontend or any kind of frameworks.

Unfortunately, you rush to make conclusions. It's my first post on medium (others will come for sure), but why this have to be the first article posted, ever?

About the rewrite: you have x features in backbone. Then you rewrite all the x features in angular and you compare the results.

e.g. https://tech.dropbox.com/2012/09/dropbox-dives-into-coffeesc...

Dropbox rewrote its javascript in coffeescript and saw a LOC improvement. They had a code in js and rewrote it in coffee. We had it in backbone and rewrote it in angular. I'll probably provide more details (with code and so on) in next blog posts, but I wanted to keep this one shorter, because it's not about how we implemented it, but more about the conclusions we reached.

In the end, it doesn't matter how many LOC you have in a certain language, framework, etc. It's more about the productivity and the quality. It worked for us very well in both cases, and I think this is the final idea.

I'm sorry that you bring the discussion to a personal level, again. I'm open for suggestions and would like to make further articles "more relevant" and share better content. If you think you can help me with this and with one suggestion or two, please get in touch.

Have a nice day!


I've also added a Later Edit (LE) in the article and I hope some things are clear now.


I think that it may be simpler to learn than both angular and ember.

Unfortunately, given the fact that it's missing 2 way data binding and it's not declarative, you end up with lots of boilerplate code and in the end you invest more time in writing your backbone application than in learning angular and writing the application in it.

To be honest, I'd only start a new project in angular or ember because they are extremely productive frameworks. Backbone was great more than 2 years ago.


I politely disagree with ending up with more boilerplate code with marionette... you're ending up with _less_ boilerplate code when using marionette with backbone, and even when including marionette, your "boilerplate" code is necessary configuration... binding dom elements, events, template handling, rendering, data serialization... even more so if you're doing it in CoffeeScript.

behold... a view in 3 lines of code.

  class Views.AlbumTracks extends Marionette.CompositeView
    className: 'album-tracks'
    template: 'album-tracks'


In angular you'd never need the line with className, so you'd end up with even less code, because of its declarative style.

A good reading when thinking that's necessary to bind dom elements, events, etc is here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14994391/how-do-i-think-i...


We rethought the backend API calls and made all of them in parallel. Also, the websocket - server connection is initialized sooner.

So, I'd say that this part could have also be done in backbone. It was also fast before, but we gained more than 1 second loading time with this refactoring.


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