This really helps I was organically doing something very similar to this but it wasn’t the “conventional wisdom” this makes me want to try and integrate AI again.
That question isn't really meaningful, because commission of a crime is a basis for jurisdiction.
Generally if party A commits a crime against party B jurisdiction can be claimed by (1) the country where the crime occurred, (2) the country A is a citizen of, and (3) the country B is a citizen of.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
They are not born/naturalized in the United States, but one of its territories. "Subject to the jurisdiction" is satisfied, but the other part is not.
(We can grant citizenship to territories by statute, like Puerto Rico, but the Constitution does not mandate it. American Samoa, thus far, doesn't seem to want it.)
>They are not born/naturalized in the United States
They are clearly born in the United States, the territories are part of the United States. The United States is the sovereign state of American Samoa.
The point you're making is exactly the point I was making. We define by statue and court precedent which territories are magically included in this. American Samoa was included and considered in the United States and "subject to the jurisdiction" as recently as 2019: https://www.courthousenews.com/federal-judge-rules-american-...
All it may take is for congress to pass a change to 8 U.S. Code § 1401 to deny birthright citizenship to illegal aliens. Trump's EO ran afoul of this according to the dissent.
The United States is made up of… states. The United States also posesses some territories, which are not states. This is why Puerto Ricans got their citizenship by statue in 1917, rather than via the Fourteenth Amendment.
> American Samoa was included and considered in the United States and "subject to the jurisdiction" as recently as 2019…
No, it wasn't. That case was overturned on appeal. It remains under US jurisdiction; its people remain nationals, not citizens.
> The United States appealed and in a 2–1 decision the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit reversed the district court decision with Judge Bacharach dissenting. The court cited one of the Insular Cases, Downes v. Bidwell, as a Supreme Court Precedent not to affirm the lower court's decision. The Court of Appeals also denied an en banc hearing, over the dissent of Judges Bacharach and Moritz.
> A petition for writ of certiorari was filed in the United States Supreme Court on April 27 and was discussed in their conference on October 14, 2022 and decided to deny certiorari on October 17, 2022.
> The decision narrowly held that the Constitution does not necessarily apply to territories. Instead, the US Congress has jurisdiction to create law within territories in certain circumstances, particularly those dealing with revenue, which would not be allowed by the Constitution for US states.
And territories, minor outlying islands, and a federal district.
>No, it wasn't.
Yes it was, the opinion of the court held that those born in American Samoa were born in the United States.:
>“Plaintiffs, having been born in the United States, and owing allegiance to the United States, are citizens by virtue of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment,” Waddoups added.
It was eventually overturned, but the fact is a court's decision included American Samoa as "in the United States."
The point is courts can decide what is considered "under the jurisdiction there of" much as there can decide what is considered "in the United States." All it takes is another case to completely throw out the Insular Cases.
>In United States v. Vaello Madero, No. 20-303, 596 U.S. ___ (2022), Justice Neil Gorsuch concurred and noted that "The Insular Cases have no foundation in the Constitution and rest instead on racial stereotypes. They deserve no place in our law."[32] Gorsuch argues that the Court must find a case to overrule the Insular Cases which were "based on racist assumptions and imperial ambitions."
Downes v. Bidwell (1901) created a difference between 'incorporated territory' and 'unincorporated territory'
The Second Organic Act of 1912 explicitly extends the constitution (and the 14th amendment) to the Alaksa territory. Supreme court cases have established that the 14th amendment doesn't apply to unincorporated territories.
Unless you were snuffed out on federal land, I think state law would reign in this situation, and the states can have jurisdiction over you just by being on their territory. In fact, I seem to remember a time when you could be a citizen of a state, but not of the United States, to further complicate matters.
you are arguing with people who are being academic to a fault, unable to see how they've been co-opted. that said, i appreciate the commentary from real lawyers - i LIKE academic stuff even if the real, hard embodied politics of it all is straightforward.
That's not true. Even the liberal interpretation of this recognizes that some people within the geographic boundary are not subject to the jurisdiction. Diplomats and invading armies, for example.
lying about the license to linus probably wasn't a smart move for AGPLv3 adoption.
In my experience the virality clause is the main reason those projects don't get used therefor sponsored.
I thought a solution to this would be to use a physical smartcard to store the certificate(perhaps on your government ID).
if the protocol is a challenge/response and the private key never leaves the card it would make proxying without the physical card more difficult.
A certificate could be anonymous and the website would only need to verify it against the born_before_2008_root_cert in 2026. You could issue has many certs as you want and all would have a validity of 1 year so that websites only have to install at the maximum 2 root certs.
I know but what I mean is it's a lot of hassle just to visit something. And many devices I have like my VR headset don't have an NFC reader to validate some govt ID.
If the smart cards required some human input to perform a signature maybe this could work. Otherwise there is nothing stopping someone from selling use of their card via some proxy software
I do qwen3.6 on an amd ai max laptop getting about 6-10tok/s it’s slow enough that I can follow along.
It has issues with design and large piles of code.
Otherwise it’s a good programming buddy.
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