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I'll recommend fasting with fellow Muslim friends and co-workers for a day during Ramadan. it is very rewarding and revealing about our daily routines and eating habits. I enjoy high productivity during Ramadan, plus it is healthy.


http://imgur.com/W09C9uO

Twitter is doing the same. It requests access to contacts list, SMS, phone call, phone Identity. I noticed the same and stopped updating. Andiord should enable users to control apps.


It is a ridiculous and I would say blatant insult to users and their security to not firewall off apps. I really, really don't understand it.


good point.. lack of class


But the bottom line argument is that when everyone gets paid in the same currency, the exchange fees go away. This can happen with US $ or Yan.


But transfer fees and payment fees won't go away with fiat.

Credit card fees eat into many businesses' profit margins, especially the ones with low margins.

And that's not the only Bitcoin's advantage.


You should stop saying "with fiat", unless you mean it to include Bitcoin, which is very much a fiat currency. It has value only to the extent that you say it has value.

Fiat currencies are to be contrasted with currencies that have intrinsic commodity value -- like gold, or livestock. Bitcoin has no intrinsic value.

The only difference between a governmental fiat currency and a distributed fiat currency (like gold) is that there is no government backing the latter. This has no bearing on the existence of fees for transfer and storage. If you're willing to carry physical currency around and store it in your mattress, payment via US dollars is fee-free as well.


A 'Fiat' currency is one which the government of a country has declared to be the official currency...by government fiat.

That does not include Bitcoin.

Gold is not a distributed fiat currency. It is just Gold. You can exchange gold for currency, or you can make payments directly with it, if the person is willing to receive them.


"A 'Fiat' currency is one which the government of a country has declared to be the official currency...by government fiat."

No, it is not. You are falling prey to a rather politicized definition of the term. All non-commodity currencies are fiat money, but not all fiat currencies are backed by a government.

The word "fiat" is Latin for "let it be done" or "it shall be". It implies only that something happens by decree. The party making the decree does not have to be a government, or even a person of authority.


Well...actually, a fiat currency is one declared and issued by the state as legal tender. It's typically not redeemable for anything else, as a gold-backed one (USD from 1944 to Nixon) is.

And really, a currency like gold is valuable because it has a fixed supply and is universally accepted. Bitcoin has a fixed supply and is rapidly moving towards universal acceptance. It's totally different when a government chooses to make a dollar worth approximately X much and then prints 85 billion of them per month.

So, yeah, gold isn't a fiat currency. And Bitcoin isn't one either.


Did you mean "bitcoin" instead of gold here?:

  .. and a distributed fiat currency (like gold) 
> It has value only to the extent that you say it has value.

I think there are a few definition of "fiat"* (one of which, as you mentioned, is lacking "intrinsic value"). I agree though that the word "fiat" adds only ambiguity to this discussion.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money


Yes, that's what I meant. Bah.


In exchange for not having transfer fees, you get no protection against fraud or theft. Not such a great 'advantage' for the average person, is it? Oh, I know, you can use escrow and other services to guard against that. But guess what? They're not free!


what does not make sense to me is that after removing all the back-linked urls, should not that drop Rap Genius's overall ranking even lower than before, since the artificial boosting has been removed. Why they are back on the top. googling "lyrics", RP is number #6 in the first page. I think RP has received special treatment here. Google search team needs to clarify this.


Here is a video of guy hacking SnapChat and finding out Mark Zuckberg's logging info like phone#, email. The video was posted on Dec 26th. How come they did not fix this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWugKX98P0


> How come they did not fix this..

How would you fix it? The app needs to know if your phone contacts are on snapchat, and if they are, what their usernames are. In other words, the API needs to exist.


Don't allow bulk matching for one. Or require the same secret key with the phone number match that is required for other API actions.


1.805.250.1351


What purpose does posting that serve? I think we've already pretty clearly established the flaw is real. What does intruding on the personal life of an unrelated person have to do with it?

Do we really need rules saying "don't post other people's non-public personal details" like Reddit? Someone needs to tell you that?


If it ever was his number, it's been changed by now.


zucks cell#? probably want to delete that.


rung for a minute then it ended on his side (no voicemail set up).


You guys are huge cock suckers... You just upvoted a database leaking millions of people's phone number but when somebody posts Zuck's phone number... Oh no! You should delete that.

He's not a king guys.


And while we're here, "cock sucker" is not an insult, and my fellow gay hackers and I would prefer if you didn't use it as one.


And we wonder why no women are in tech...


why? can't women in your mind take a joke? The women I know are perfectly capable of hearing phrases like that, they aren't some fragile gender that need to be protected.


thanks for speaking for your women (best?) friends for us. brave


Do you know any women? Seriously, most of them are OK when calling assholes (like many of HN users) "cock suckers".

You guys need to go out more, since women are more than OK when people swear, you're not talking to toddlers here.

Now, this is a comment, not a fucking essay or interview (haha PG fucked up really bad huh? So bad he's gonna have a women only conference).

Now I sound like a troll, so I'll shut up, but seriously, women are OK with swearing (that includes all George Carlin's 7 words).


HN is not a monolith. You are implying hypocrisy where none necessarily exists.

The leaked database: doesn't have full phone numbers and I don't think it should have been posted either -- I didn't upvote it.

Nobody should have their personal contact details posted against their wishes. I do not particularly care about Mark Zuckerberg.


like other people are saying -- HN is news by committee. just try to post a joke on here one day & see how many rapid downvotes it gets if you ever need proof of how lame & uptight the HN crowd can be once they hit that 500 rep.

i posted a joke on a comment of someone going "This. A million times this." the other day cuz that is the most melodramatic, overused, annoying, lame textual meme... the joke was pretty innocuous & immediately got like 5 downvotes.

I don't mean to hate too hard cuz it is what it is, i dont care about my karma, & obv its good enough that i still read articles here but posters being annoying/hypocritical/oversensitive/humourless/feeling that they are the protectors of society... very common on HN. I think it is some facet of the nature of people thinking they are real sophisticated by reading HN for some odd reason (basing this on all the wannabe devs I know on social sites who make it a point to mention it constantly in posts like "my fav sites to procrastinate on"), whereas there are lots of higher-level programming communities out there who seem to have less of this self-seriousness.

that said, occasionally there is that nice moment of a few reasonable people chatting each other & introducing to tech they may have otherwise overlooked. I'm heavy into Clojure & the other day a Lisper on here pointed me to freenode to get community help rather than SO, for example. It's all percentages, I guess :-/


feeling that they are the protectors of society...

Not society, just the SNR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio).


obvious logic, link to wiki for explanation of common term -- u my friend are due for about 5 upvotes in the HN chain of circular validation.

i understand it as a way for SNR sure, but mostly its just a way to fade the text of people you disagree with. it doesn't solve much for people who can skim, & it usually just makes me more curious about what got downvoted (some of the comments are very insightful but just pissed off those with normative opinion)

im just not into kool-aid drinking & the weird PG (harhar no pun intended) vibe of HN while downvoting & having this weird karma system smacks of lame culty passive aggression, which incidentally is much more offensive to me than actual aggression


also i wasn't gonna say anything but can't help from chuckling about it -- i am an audio DSP engineer so by nature I've probably done more work/research concerning SNR than 99% of people on the planet ever will lol.

i didnt want to come of as indignant tho, its just a funny coincidence. you never quite know who you are condescending to on here


I've worked with audio DSP, too. I think the comparison to audio SNR is appropriate. The wiki link was as much for other readers as for you or me.


The database is censored (XX instead of the last two numbers of each number)


Holy shit.. this is huge.. This would give google huge advantage in robotics. What scare me that google is creeping into critical areas of modern life. And they usually dominate every field they enter.


Like social networking? Smartphone manufacturing? Ebooks?

There are plenty of fields that Google has entered that they haven't dominated.


You'll be surprised, but Google dominates social networking. Don't forget about YT.


YouTube isn't really a social network.


Why not? It has all properties of a social network. Is Instagram a social network? Pinterest? Same principles, different look. It doesn't have to have "friends" to be a social network, you know.


Most of YouTube doesn't work as a social network, and most YouTube users don't use it for social networking.

I don't find the argument from features compelling because so many different services have the same features. On a broad definition, there are millions of social networking sites, but on a broad definition, the term becomes so close to meaningless that it doesn't tell you anything useful.


They do collect, they just don't show it to you.


House of Fog shed light on this problem. it is tragedy.


I believe it was The House of Sand and Fog. And Ben Kingsley and Jennifer Connolly are amazing in it.


House of Sand and Fog. Yes, excellent movie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Sand_and_Fog_%28film%...


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