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This "Google Safe Browsing" initiative seriously worries me. It's effectively some unknown, mysterious, un-contactable set of AI algorithms/people/who knows what controlling the internet because Google owns everyone's browser.

One of my websites got tagged as "Dangerous" and having "harmful programs" despite having nothing of the sort. My guess is a silly hiccup of their neural network algorithms. And I have absolutely nobody I can contact about the issue to get an explanation. They just effectively killed the site in one fell swoop.



According to the FAQ[0] of the safe browsing program, they attempt to contact you first, but there is a way to contact them.

  What if you can’t get in touch with 
  the webmaster because they’re not 
  registered with Google Webmaster 
  Tools?

  Every time we add an unsafe site to 
  the list, we make a reasonable 
  effort attempt to inform the 
  webmaster by sending a notification 
  to a standard set of email addresses 
  (e.g., webmaster@[sitename].com; 
  info@[sitename].com; 
  admin@[sitename].com).

  If my website has been compromised 
  and is now unsafe, what can I do?

  We offer advice for webmasters whose 
  sites have been hacked here. It’s 
  best to register your site at Google 
  Webmaster Tools in advance of any 
  problems so that we can notify you 
  promptly and provide more 
  information about the problems we 
  find.

  If you don’t want to use Google 
  Webmaster Tools, you can file 
  appeals with StopBadware.org once 
  you have removed the infection from 
  your site. StopBadware.org also 
  offers great resources for 
  webmasters who want to learn more 
  about what they can do to make their 
  sites safer.
[0]: https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/safebrowsing/faq/?...


A while ago I submitted my site for review and provided a contact. I got no response. I also got no such e-mail. In addition it seems they only send you a "notification", i.e. an automatic "We've blocked you" and not a human attempt to resolve the issue. If a human had been viewing my site it would have been 100% clear that there is no malware issue. However, since I do make use of certain HTML5 features after prompting the user, I could see why it causes a trigger if they have some half-baked neural network algorithm trying to identify potential malware based on JavaScript source.

If anyone is wondering, the site is a location-based file sharing app. It makes use of geolocation and file uploading capabilities. Largely a quick experiment, throwing an idea out there just to see if there's any need for such an app. It was running fine for a few months before Google decided to block it.

https://quack.space/ (which gives a malware error now on Chrome)

https://www.producthunt.com/tech/quack-space (ProductHunt page)


As with most things in this world, you could sue them.


Has any site that has been incorrectly de-indexed from Google sued and won? I have no idea, but this would be super fascinating.


De-indexed in search is a bit different from effectively blocked in the browser. If Chrome says your site is dangerous and actually your site is harmless, are they defaming your website? If Google choose not to include you in their search engine, that could still be an issue, but it's probably a lot more nuanced.


Yea, I wonder if stating a site is dangerous would be considered libel in the US...


Probably not, but Google EU is in Ireland and their libel laws are likely to be a lot like those of England, which is to say super pro the person who feels wronged.


How many of the sites that were illegitimately blocked can afford to sue Google? How many can afford to win against Google's top notch legal team?


The real question is

"Is it worth it for google to send their legal team to some small claims court hearing instead of just unblocking the site?"

And contrary to the popular belief, suing people really isn't that expensive if you've got the time to do it.


It wasn't a major or revenue-generating site, so I don't want to spend on legal fees. If it had been though, I would.


Yeah, I've experienced the same and it's really a pain in the ass. Apparently there's tons of orgs that can automatically add sites to that blacklist, I got abuse from some company saying there was a phishing page on my IP because it featured a login page and the text "Amazon" and suddenly chrome started showing alerts when I visited the IP.

As with most of similar systems (spamhaus etc) the people running them are just as bad as the people they're trying to stop.


They'd invoke the first amendment. It would be pretty open and shut.


If the claim that your site is dangerous is demonstrably false and there are demonstrable damages you can indeed be liable for damages or face injunction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_statements_of_fact


I'm not sure if you know what the "first amendment" is. I'll tell you what it isn't, it's not a magical trump card that lets you say whatever you want.


http://searchengineland.com/another-court-affirms-googles-fi...

That seems to be how Google is (successfully) using it.


That's a VERY different situation. Google is claiming there that (essentially) they have the right to put sites in whatever order they want, and US courts are extremely sympathetic to that argument.

Here the issue is that Google is making direct, verbal claims about other sites. That's not to say Google couldn't come up with a strategy to win in court, but the strategy would have to differ markedly.


google is not a government agency. you can't claim first amendment when dealing with private parties. that's like me suing the NFL for not letting me post racist rants on their homepage because of the first amendment.

edit: i dun read gud. leaving comment as an homage to lack of literacy


> Google owns everyone's browser

It doesn’t have to be like that.


It doesn't have to, but that's the way it's trending.


Yes, there's good reason why I'm posting this from https://www.palemoon.org/ which is Firefox without the politics - Chrome is too intrusive and non-transparent about its intrusion to boot.


Firefox uses Google Safe Browsing, like Opera and Safari.


How do they fund their security patches?


fund as in finance?


Yup, to be on top of the security stuff is a really expensive thing to do.


Saw this late: I believe they have a running policy of porting all security stuff from main rep FF and adding additional hardening on top (by disabling semi baked features and removing legacy stuff, like XP support, at a much quicker rate than regular FF releases). But how this is managed in terms of man-hours/pay/etc. - haven't got the faintest: organisational transparency is expensive but would be ever so great to get right for software vendors on the whole!


I always thought it was something like visiting the site with a somewhat unprotected (but virtualized) computer and seeing if anything bad (registry keys changed) happened.


What website?




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