Now that Parler also is booted from AWS, it's basically "build a new internet".
"Build your own services if you like free speech so much" was never a honest proposition. It was a "shut up" proposition - because when, to the surprise of the censors, it was built and was successful, they took all possible measures to destroy it. They were never for "we will have our own and you can have our own" - it always was "we will control everything and you will shut up and do what you told".
Whatever are your political leanings and whatever you think of Trump or Parler - if this thing - total and absolute control of a handful of corporations over what can be spoken on the internet, and their willingness to ruthlessly exercise this control to suppress any non-censorious companies - if this thing is not scaring you, you're delusional. You probably think you will never commit wrongthink so it doesn't apply to you. Read some history, it never worked this way, it won't work this way this time either. Censorship, allowed to run free, always gets worse.
Your entire argument pins on this being censorship.
Amazon is not a state utility.
Amazon is not the internet.
Amazon has the right to fire a customer.
If Parler built their product without considering vendor dependencies that is on them.
Frankly your argument is hyperbolic and is better suited for reddit than a forum that actually understands what it takes to build a service like Parler.
While unrelated to this issue, Parler's ux and service as a whole was awful. They were collecting and storing tons of personal information and were funded by the Mercer's.
Apple, Google, and Amazon are doing Parler users a favor.
You are arguing with somebody who told you Amazon has no legal right to cancel the contract. That somebody is not me.
> If Parler built their product without considering vendor dependencies that is on them.
"You fucked up. You trusted us". (C)
Parler was operating under naive assumptions that Amazon does not ban services for partisan political reasons. It was reasonable assumption in America pre-2021, but now it's clearly a different America. Where to participate in the internet, you have to pass ideological purity test. I can predict what happens next: Parler would be blocked by the majority of CDNs, payment processors and hosting/DNS providers. And you'll be saying "well, they are idiots for relying on the existing internet without considering the dependencies. They should have just built their own internet, their own banking system and their own payment system."
> While unrelated to this issue, Parler's ux and service as a whole was awful.
If it's unrelated, why mention it? To create an impression services with bad UX (which is not true btw, especially compared to Facebook whose UX is atrocious) deserve to be silenced?
> Apple, Google, and Amazon are doing Parler users a favor.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Parler should be blocked wholesale, it is acting as an unmoderated radicalization engine for terrorists that attempted a coup. They are actively planning another attempt as we speak.
You are defending a group of people that has shown they are intolerant, violent, and unrepentant.
Nobody is saying they can't sit around and drink beers at home at talk about burning down the capitol, they are just saying you can't do it on their infrastructure.
This is no different than when everyone was banning ISIS a few years ago. These groups are self radicalized and have lost the right to protected speech.
That's bullshit. There's no terrorists and no coup. Bunch of people occupying one building for a couple of hours is a lamest "coup" ever existed, and something that antifa and other protestors have done many times, including occupying Wisconsin Capitol for several days: https://isthmus.com/news/cover-story/capitol-occupation-walk... That's days, not hours. Nobody said anything about "coup". And calling those people "terrorist" is a grave insult to the victims of actual terrorists. This idiotic overblown rhetoric is a propagandist trick, especially heinous after we've been told for months that nationwide riots that caused billions of damage and many dead and injured are "mostly peaceful".
> This is no different than when everyone was banning ISIS a few years ago.
There's a huge difference between American citizens protesting and ISIS. There's also a huge difference between the service that allows people some of whom support the same politician that some of the protestors to speak and ISIS. Declaring that any service that allows people who support the same politician as anybody who commits a crime to be the same as ISIS would make everybody in the US ISIS - e.g. James T. Hodgkinson supported Sanders, so any service that allows any Sanders supporter to speak now ISIS? Bullshit.
I agree that it was a lame coup, but that is par for the course with anything the right attempts. They failed but it wasn't for lack of trying.
A terrorist is anyone who perpetuates violence in order to achieve a political goal, and it is pretty clear that was the case when they attempted to stop the certification process.
As far as victims of terrorism are concerned, I think this officers family would be "gravely insulted" by how far you have managed to shove your head up your own ass.
You are either ignorant of what is happening or attempting to discount the reality of it. Either way you are part of the problem and I look forward to a day when sycophants like you are held accountable for your role in bringing us to the brink of fascism.
No, but nobody ever in anybodies wildest dreams would hold Apple liable for having one application in the store (among thousands) that belongs to one service (among dozens) that a couple of users (among millions) once discussed organizing violence (which they never organized, and the violence that happened has no relation to anything there). Pretending like Apple (or Google, or Twitter, or Facebook) censor politically because they want to "avoid liability" is either ignorance or hope that your opponent is so ignorant that they do not know what liability is and how it works.
Apple is perfectly within their rights as a private company to ban applications from their platform solely based on it's user base being a huge gaggle of toxic assholes.
I don't think you will find any sympathy for neo-fascists here.
Parler is taking Apple to court over this, which will be hilarious to watch.
"Targeted" and "liability" are two different things. You can be targeted by left wing activists for literally anything. There are people who think yoga and veganism and SpongeBob SquarePants are racist. But Apple knows very well there's no "liability" in that and he doesn't have to jump each time a loudmouth on the internet gets vapors. When they do something, it's because they want to do it, not because some kind of "liability".
"Build your own services if you like free speech so much" was never a honest proposition. It was a "shut up" proposition - because when, to the surprise of the censors, it was built and was successful, they took all possible measures to destroy it. They were never for "we will have our own and you can have our own" - it always was "we will control everything and you will shut up and do what you told".
Whatever are your political leanings and whatever you think of Trump or Parler - if this thing - total and absolute control of a handful of corporations over what can be spoken on the internet, and their willingness to ruthlessly exercise this control to suppress any non-censorious companies - if this thing is not scaring you, you're delusional. You probably think you will never commit wrongthink so it doesn't apply to you. Read some history, it never worked this way, it won't work this way this time either. Censorship, allowed to run free, always gets worse.