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> I don't care about the revenue or what it's spent on. I care that people internalize the costs of their own decisions.

Cool, you're demonstrating that you have no understanding of the issue.

> River crossings into NYC were already not free. Not sure what you're referring to.

They sure are.

Trips that originate from Brooklyn, Queens or Long Island to New Jersey would go <origin> to Brooklyn/Manhattan/Williamsburg/Queenboro bridges. The outbound Hudson River crossings are all free.

Trips that originate from Brooklyn, Queens or Long Island to Westchester and points north or east would go <origin> to Brooklyn/Manhattan/Williamsburg/Queenboro bridges. You take the FDR drive/East Side highway to one of the free east river crossings to the bronx, then take the Deegan to one of the many parkways. You can take the Taconic all the way to Albany for $0.

BTW, the Westside of Manhattan around the tunnel crossings is now just as much of a shitshow as it was. They are just slurping up more revenue for the MTA to set aflame.

> Speed cameras and stop cameras are also great and should be virtually everywhere.

They are fine if they are everywhere. You'll feel differently when you get a $25 fine + $50 contractor fee when you drive through a 20mph school zone in the middle of August in some random town.

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> Cool, you're demonstrating that you have no understanding of the issue.

How so?

You're talking about trips within New York City (Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island are part of New York City) or out of New York City.

These are not river-crossings INTO New York City.

> Westside of Manhattan around the tunnel crossings is now just as much of a shitshow as it was

This is just objectively not true. https://www.congestion-pricing-tracker.com/

> You'll feel differently when you get a $25 fine + $50 contractor fee when you drive through a 20mph school zone in the middle of August in some random town.

... why would I feel differently once getting penalized for breaking the law? I want every person who speeds through my child's school zone to get ticketed. If I'm the one doing the speeding, I should get ticketed.


> You're talking about trips within New York City (Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island are part of New York City) or out of New York City.

People of Long Island, which is not part of NYC, go to great lengths to avoid tolls to the mainland. You only need a few thousand cars to make a huge impact. That's the congestion that was eliminated. You can, and people do, the same from Westchester north. There is no free route from New Jersey.

> This is just objectively not true. https://www.congestion-pricing-tracker.com/

Compare your data, to what I said, not to what you are upset about. It's still a shitshow, just a shorter wait.

The routes used to avoid river tolls from Long Island (Brooklyn, Manhattan, Williamsburg, Queenboro Bridges) dropped. Crosstown traffic dropped.

FDR Drive, Battery tunnel, Queens Midtown Tunnel remained the same or marginally dropped.


So am I understanding that we need to add more tolls and set them higher?

Fine by me!




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