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Be very careful what you wish for; you might get it.

I've seen far too many women working very hard, initially quite successfully, to be "more like men" but too soon encounter agonies of the damned, failure, and even death. Be careful. Be very careful.

Suspect: Mother Nature long ago filtered out from the tree any women so easily distracted from being strong limbs on the tree. Motherhood is not inferior; the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world; good parenting is the crucial, most rewarding, and most important job in the world; what men do at work is not superior to what women, and essentially only women, can do with motherhood; everyone on HN had a mother who did a lot of important, hard work quite different from success in the world of work; what men do at work is to bring home money for what is really important, motherhood, family, home, etc. For a woman to concentrate on a startup is to neglect motherhood and, thus, to confuse means and ends.

Darwin will have the last word here: Currently in Western Civilization, the average number of children born to one women is less than 2.1 which means Western Civilization is voluntarily going extinct. In Finland the average is 1.5 which means that in 10 generations about 30 Finns will become 1. Finland did well fighting off the Swedes, Russians, and Germans but now is losing out to 'new' ideas on what women should do.

Some science is quite clear: Starting in the crib, the girls pay attention to people and the boys, to things. That difference continues. Girls pay attention to people because that is crucial for motherhood. Boys pay attention to things because that is crucial to the world of work. Don't confuse the two.



Gee, some people don't like the advice to be careful.

When it's your sister, wife, or daughter who gets seriously injured for life or gets killed, say, from suicide from clinical depression from stress from being pushed away from motherhood and into the world of startups, then you will understand why it is crucial to be careful.

Sure, at one time she told me "Women don't have to just be cared for. Women can do things, too. I want a career.". I believed her. I was naive.

Her mother was pushing her hard away from motherhood and into something challenging.

Although I didn't yet see the role of her mother, I had good reasons to believe in her: So, she was Valedictorian, PBK, Woodrow Wilson, 'Summa Cum Laude', Ph.D. And in many ways, in academics and also daily life, she was just hands down, flatly brilliant. She had the endurance of an ultra athlete and could go with so little sleep that so little for me would have me asleep standing up, literally.

Still, by the time she finished her Ph.D., she was in a clinical depression from the stress, never recovered, and died. Her sisters had similar struggles. It's tough to separate nature and nurture here: She got the nurture from her mother who had the nature but also got the nature from her mother. She likely got another dose of the nature from her father, a guy who for some years worked 20 hours a day except cut back to 10 on Sundays.

Solid evidence is that such vulnerability to stress is four times more likely for women than men.

There is a good reason for the expression "Nervous Nellie" because, from an expert, "women are much more emotional than men" and one way they are more emotional is that they are more nervous, more easily made afraid. Such nervousness and fear leads to stress leads to depression, clinical depression, serious problems, and sometimes death.

For a women in a challenging situation, have to exercise special care watching for signs of low self-esteem, stress, 'burn out', and depression. Some women can meet such challenges; too many can't; even some that very much look like they can, can't; these problems are much more likely for women; it's a very challenging situation.

My advice I repeat: Be careful. Be very careful.

Some people just flatly want to believe that "Women don't have to just be cared for. Women can do things, too." and want to and, then, do hate any suggestion of anything else and pass off any suggestion as some sexism. No, the caution I urge is based on hard experience. Be careful. I didn't say stop; I just said be careful.

"Careful"? Yes, for a women, have to watch for symptoms and problems that mostly would not have to watch for for men.

Be careful.

Sorry about your dream, largely unfounded, that women are just the same in startups as men and have just been held down and now need to be 'unleashed'. It's not just a dream, too easily it's a nightmare. Sorry about your dream. But if the woman is your sister, wife, or daughter, your dream can become a nightmare for you. You've been warned. Let the pop media have their fun pushing 'lean in', etc., but for your sister, wife, and daughter, be careful, be very careful.

If you want an explanation, then notice that Darwin's forces were there and having their effects for many tens of thousands of years before startups. and we don't know just what those forces were or just how they worked. Since we can't understand what those forces were, for making big changes now we are walking out on thin ice. Be careful.

Or, the world of work, and startups were created by men in ways convenient for men. And we should just assume that women will be comfortable in that world? Why assume? Or how many men would be comfortable in and fit in at a baby shower? How many men can do well at gossip? For 'social connections', men don't gossip; instead they communicate information (D. Tannen,'You Just Don't Understand: Men and Women in Conversation'), and women communicate feelings and the rest of gossip. Men are from Mars, women from Venus, that is, they are so different they seem to be from different planets. They deserve equal respect as persons but are not the same (E. Fromm, 'The Art of Loving').

Did I mention, be careful?




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