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but I think you know what I mean

No, I have no idea what you mean.

it's no longer subversive.

It never was. Some criminal acts involved computers, I guess crime is subversive.

At most you could say there was little demand for hacking skills back in the day. Where's today they'll get a good paycheck.

It's hard to feel cool and subversive when you're paid well. Tough cookies kid, grow up.



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